Legislature(1999 - 2000)

05/03/1999 03:30 PM Senate RES

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              SENATE RESOURCES COMMITTEE                                                                                        
                     May 3, 1999                                                                                                
                      3:30 p.m.                                                                                                 
                                                                                                                                
MEMBERS PRESENT                                                                                                                 
                                                                                                                                
Senator Rick Halford, Chairman                                                                                                  
Senator Lyda Green                                                                                                              
Senator Jerry Mackie                                                                                                            
Senator Georgianna Lincoln                                                                                                      
                                                                                                                                
MEMBERS ABSENT                                                                                                                  
                                                                                                                                
Senator Robin Taylor, Vice Chairman                                                                                             
Senator Pete Kelly                                                                                                              
Senator Sean Parnell                                                                                                            
                                                                                                                                
COMMITTEE CALENDAR                                                                                                              
                                                                                                                                
CONFIRMATION HEARINGS:  Board of Fisheries                                                                                      
                                                                                                                                
Dan K. Coffey - Anchorage                                                                                                       
Grant J. Miller - Sitka                                                                                                         
Virgil L. Umphenour - Fairbanks                                                                                                 
                                                                                                                                
WITNESS REGISTER                                                                                                                
                                                                                                                                
Virgil L. Umphenour                                                                                                             
2400 Davis Rd.                                                                                                                  
Fairbanks, AK  99701                                                                                                            
                                                                                                                                
Dan K. Coffey                                                                                                                   
207 East Northern Lights Blvd.                                                                                                  
Suite 200                                                                                                                       
Anchorage, AK  99503                                                                                                            
                                                                                                                                
Grant Miller                                                                                                                    
PO Box 6097                                                                                                                     
Sitka, AK  99835                                                                                                                
                                                                                                                                
ACTION NARRATIVE                                                                                                                
                                                                                                                                
TAPE 99-29, SIDE A                                                                                                              
Number 001                                                                                                                      
                                                                                                                                
CHAIRMAN HALFORD called the Senate Resources Committee meeting to                                                               
order at 3:30 p.m.  Present were Senators Green, Mackie, Lincoln                                                                
and Chairman Halford.  The committee took up nominations to the                                                                 
Board of Fisheries.                                                                                                             
                                                                                                                                
VIRGIL UMPHENOUR, nominee from Fairbanks, made the following                                                                    
comments via teleconference.  After returning from Vietnam in 1971,                                                             
he moved to Fairbanks.  In 1984 he got a limited entry permit for                                                               
an Upper Yukon fishery and in 1985 he opened a small processing                                                                 
plant to process his own fish.  In 1989 he leased a plant in                                                                    
Fairbanks from the State that was built to slaughter livestock.  He                                                             
has been operating that plant ever since.  He has been on the Board                                                             
of Fisheries for the past five years and sees a lot of unfinished                                                               
business regarding sustainable fisheries work.  He would like to                                                                
continue to be a part of that discussion.                                                                                       
                                                                                                                                
SENATOR LINCOLN stated she has received some letters from people in                                                             
several areas, and one in particular from the Copper River area                                                                 
that contained segments of Mr. Umphenour's response to some                                                                     
questions posed to him by a Representative.  She noted Mr.                                                                      
Umphenour said that some of the commercial fishermen (gillnetters                                                               
in Prince William Sound) involved in the process do not like him                                                                
and consider him a threat because they do not like responsible fish                                                             
management, they like to be able to kill every last fish, and they                                                              
do not care if the sport fishery and personal use fishery are                                                                   
restricted as long as they can catch all they can at the mouth of                                                               
the river first.  She pointed out that the people who contacted her                                                             
felt that response was highly inflammatory and unsubstantiated.                                                                 
She asked Mr. Umphenour if that statement was taken out of context                                                              
and whether he would be willing to listen to the Copper River or                                                                
Prince William Sound fishermen if they came before the Board of                                                                 
Fisheries with proposals.                                                                                                       
                                                                                                                                
MR. UMPHENOUR replied that statement was taken partially out of                                                                 
context.  He was referring to the area of the Copper River fishery                                                              
inside the Barrier Islands where commercial fishing occurs in the                                                               
mouth of the river.  ADF&G targets the fishery by sonar which                                                                   
counts all salmon, the majority of which are sockeyes.  The sonar                                                               
checks escapement each week beginning May 15.  The goal of sockeye                                                              
escapement has been met when the fishery opens, however during the                                                              
first few openings more king salmon are inside of the Barrier                                                                   
Islands than sockeye.  There are 40 populations of king salmon in                                                               
the Copper River.  There are escapement enumerators on only three                                                               
or four of those populations.  ADF&G does not know whether it will                                                              
meet the biological escapement goal of those three or four                                                                      
populations until about eight weeks later.  The king salmon spend                                                               
7 to 14 days moving between salt and fresh water in the area, which                                                             
is 2 to 10 feet deep.  The fishermen were using 29' gillnets                                                                    
designed to catch sockeye.  The Board of Fisheries restricted all                                                               
fisheries, except the subsistence fishery, two and one-half years                                                               
ago to allow at least five percent more king salmon to escape.  He                                                              
argued for a larger restriction, a 10 percent escapement, which is                                                              
why those fishers are upset with him.  He said the personal use                                                                 
fishery allows the catch of four king salmon per family per year;                                                               
he does not want to see the personal use, subsistence, and sport                                                                
fishers restricted any more without restricting the 30 or 40                                                                    
commercial fishers who caught 68,000 king salmon in the mouth of                                                                
the Copper River last year.                                                                                                     
                                                                                                                                
There being no further questions of Mr. Umphenour, the committee                                                                
took testimony from Dan Coffey.                                                                                                 
                                                                                                                                
Number 148                                                                                                                      
                                                                                                                                
DAN COFFEY testified via teleconference and made the following                                                                  
comments.  His term ends in June of 1999, and he feels the Board of                                                             
Fisheries is part way down the road to resolving fairly important                                                               
policy matters.  The sustainable fisheries project should be                                                                    
completed in about a year, and he expects the policy changes to                                                                 
have a dramatic effect on the way fishery resources are preserved                                                               
and protected.  The subsistence issue is coming to the forefront                                                                
with the federal takeover and he has been actively involved in that                                                             
process to maintain as much control over our fisheries as possible.                                                             
Finally, the area of profit and procedure, working on the committee                                                             
system and doing the organizational things that allow the Board to                                                              
complete its work in a timely fashion is important.  He would like                                                              
to see the projects that he has worked on brought to success and he                                                             
sees the Board of Fisheries' process, which provides for a lot of                                                               
public participation, to be a very good way to manage fisheries.                                                                
He never thought he would volunteer for a second term, however it                                                               
is one way he can pay back a lot of the benefits that the state has                                                             
given him.                                                                                                                      
                                                                                                                                
SENATOR MACKIE thanked Mr. Coffey for his quick response to a                                                                   
situation in Kodiak in which the Board may have erred in a king                                                                 
salmon allocation for residents decision.  He also said he had                                                                  
concerns when Mr. Coffey was initially appointed to the Board, but                                                              
he is now quite pleased with how Mr. Coffey deals with people and                                                               
issues.  He noted he would support Mr. Coffey's renomination for                                                                
that reason, however he could not say the same for the other                                                                    
nominees.                                                                                                                       
                                                                                                                                
MR. COFFEY stated the people of Kodiak worked hard with the Board.                                                              
While they were upset about the decision, they were kind and                                                                    
courteous to Board members and they pitched in to find a solution                                                               
to the problem.  He noted the committee system that the Board put                                                               
together in April allowed him to deal with the problem effectively.                                                             
                                                                                                                                
SENATOR MACKIE added that he was quite disappointed with a few                                                                  
Board members about the recent decision regarding the bottom trawl                                                              
fisheries around Kodiak.  He noted the local advisory committee                                                                 
came up with a solution that he believes was fair and addressed all                                                             
user group concerns, however some Board members completely                                                                      
disregarded that process.  He asked Mr. Coffey why the Board was                                                                
not willing to look more closely at the local fish and game                                                                     
advisory council process and the recommendations that come from the                                                             
councils.                                                                                                                       
                                                                                                                                
MR. COFFEY replied the recommendation that came out of Kodiak was                                                               
in large measure followed except for the concerns on the mainland                                                               
peninsula and two small islands on the East side of the island.                                                                 
Most of what the local advisory committee recommended was accepted.                                                             
Often the local advisory committee has a lot of specialized and                                                                 
local knowledge that the Board does not have.  Under most                                                                       
circumstances, the local advisory committee has the best wisdom on                                                              
the area.  But, as an example, one of the things the Board learned                                                              
was that the topography on the Shelikof Straits side of Kodiak                                                                  
Island was such that there are not a lot of crab migrations between                                                             
the bays, inlets and fiords.  On the other side the topography is                                                               
different and is described as a highway in and out of the inlets.                                                               
The Board feared that if it did not do some of the things that it                                                               
ultimately chose to do, it would be defeating the purpose of                                                                    
protecting both the bottom and the crab population.  The thought                                                                
was that because of the topographical differences, the Board would                                                              
be better off to limit the bottom trawling to the areas where                                                                   
potential damage to crab was less.  Mr. Coffey noted the Kodiak                                                                 
Local Advisory Committee is one of the best in the State.  It                                                                   
covers the entire island and people with diverse views.  Sometimes                                                              
the Board learns things in its meeting and committee process that                                                               
lead to variations of what the local advisory committees recommend.                                                             
                                                                                                                                
SENATOR MACKIE noted his concern was some Board members' attitudes                                                              
that if the smaller trawl boats on the East side of the island that                                                             
fish the non-migratory species cannot compete in the Gulf, they                                                                 
should give up fishing.                                                                                                         
                                                                                                                                
MR. COFFEY noted the Board did try to preserve and protect that                                                                 
fishery for the smaller boats.  He stated the issues are very                                                                   
complicated but the Board does listen to people.                                                                                
                                                                                                                                
There being no further questions of Mr. Coffey, Mr. Grant Miller                                                                
was asked to speak.                                                                                                             
                                                                                                                                
Number 321                                                                                                                      
                                                                                                                                
GRANT MILLER stated that one of the reasons he decided to put his                                                               
name back in the hat is that he feels comfortable working with this                                                             
particular Board and he has really good feelings about what it has                                                              
accomplished along the way. Some of the changes the Board has made                                                              
regarding public access, resource conservation, and the creation of                                                             
the State cod fishery have been important.  He has been on the                                                                  
state fisheries committee since it was first formed in Anchorage                                                                
about three years ago and he is committed to seeing the development                                                             
of a State fisheries policy through to the end.  He has fished in                                                               
Alaska since 1977.  He has a great deal of respect for the resource                                                             
and he is in a position to protect the resource so that others can                                                              
benefit from it in the future.  Regarding his fellow Board members                                                              
who are up for reappointment, he believes Mr. Umphenour has always                                                              
been well informed, he has a strong concern for the resource, and                                                               
he is straightforward.  Mr. Coffey has been a tremendous asset to                                                               
this Board with his organizational, leadership, and mediation                                                                   
skills.  They have both accomplished a lot on the Board.                                                                        
                                                                                                                                
SENATOR MACKIE told Mr. Miller he appreciates his open-mindedness                                                               
and hard work, and his attempts at consensus building.                                                                          
                                                                                                                                
There being no further questions, SENATOR MACKIE moved to forward                                                               
the three names to the Joint Session for a vote.  There being no                                                                
objection, the motion carried.                                                                                                  
                                                                                                                                
There being no further business to come before the committee,                                                                   
CHAIRMAN HALFORD adjourned the meeting at 3:53 p.m.                                                                             

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